Theyre not the exact same... :angelsmil
I was recommending digidesign shit just for Pro Tools. Cheapest piece Ive seen is $90 that you can use Pro Tools with but thats with a cracked version of Pro Tools since it doesnt come with the hardware
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stay away from blue... like a overpriced rode... honestly... they aren't all they are cracked up to be... AT's are GREAT mics... had I not gotten the k2 I'd have a at... bock audio is amazing... nuemann is industry standard for a reason... but the k2 or classic... bock audio mics or at... can all stand up with the nuemann...
brandon iam on aim but ur name aint workin iam talkin to opey but urs aint comin up
What are you guys telling him. You starting him off all wrong.
These digi heads have no clue. Yo - You wanna Lab set up hit me up -
Or better yet. Get at these cats.
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They will be way better use. You can get a SP1200 or an MPC right now.
F**** All this myraid about Pro Tools, and Digidesign. Give him a good informed answer. Pro Tools is way to advanced for someone whom doesn't even have a mic - or clue about making music. Hardware is the way to go. Fresh Sounds and not automated - Roger Linn is the best man for this topic.
If you were even gonna get real with any software set up I'd say get Reason 5.1 - Or Just go the hardware route.
Hit me up if you really wanna know how to start a set up. There are more questions to ask than what you can afford.
Just post up for a bit -
Damn I hope he didn't go buy anything. You cats have half a set up talking like you're Pete Rock or something. LEARN YOUR EQUIPMENT.
fuck that expensive out dated MPC. you're behind the times son. i live and breathe this. this shit is how i make a living. i keep up with every piece of gear that's worth knowing about. and i HAVE just about every piece of audio software worth having.
You need to learn about your trade a little. wtf @ someone learning on standalone hardware easier than on computer hardware. That's retarded.
Your Wack foo. Stop posting behind me.
Hardware is the reason behind your Software - It started with the Linn Drum and So on. Your lil' computer can't even scratch the surface of where I am.
You even look retarded.
If you don't know what I'm talkin' about try asking - Instead of makin' yourself look stupid again.
I like people like you, It makes my "expensive" MPC easier to grab. Beacuse while you're trying to emulate the sound - I am the Sound.
Yo - IP Band this guy - He makes computers look like the devil's spawn.
You breathe this huh ?
Well choke on my anolog - Aren't you the same kid that said running hardware with a computer is retarded. ?.
In fly fact - You really have no clue what you're talking about.
You're outta your league this time Kid. Play runner up.
So go back to your 64 bit - Digital.
I'll remain raw with the 12 bit Non Linear.
Chubby Cheeks.
Next Caller !!
actually... I started on a sp1200... moved to the mpc... then went on to software... hardware isn't worth it anymore... it's smaller... more expandable possibilities... the best is to combine... which I'm a fan of... ie... motifs... mpd's... korg pads... other sound modules... you don't need a mpc anymore b... it's not needed... and I'm one of those... up to a certain price software is 10x's better than hardware... but AFTER a certain price range you need both... even if I had a full analog board I'd still record it to a daw.
so far all i hve bought is a korg padcontrol next is a m audio 88 key pro but i still need to read up i need some beat makin 101 type shit cuz i cant figure it out
and now an mpc is analog. good job idiot.
MP's are both analog and digital. For your information.
It has this D/A converter - You do the math.
The newer Mp's are more Digital - Because of the filters it uses.
My MP - Has no filters. Thus providing the crunch and Slap needed tp get full range on my percusions. No buffs. I aswell own a MPC 3000Le.
I use alot of records - That's where the analog is at.
The MP I have really spices up the low ends and with proper recording tech.
I can blow up the high ends aswell.
I like the hardware route. Even though I know software is easy and does the same thing. I'm just a fan of the OLd School Tech. All the albums I love were made from the 60 MK1 or 3000 - Sp 12.
So the sound I make - Will embody the heart of where I started.
89 - 95. Hip-Hop.
I like the hardware aswell - do to the reasons that I can do it manually.
You see - Your Lab should be set up the way you can easily manuver through your equipment. Whatever way is easier for you to manuver through your equipment - So be it. I just happen to have the patience for hardware.
The digi ways don't fond me too well.
I'm part of the true school. SP 12's - DJ's - Lunchtable Beats - B-Boy.
Sorry if my MPC offends you. But it's my parogotive. My predecessors and I have been asked this question many times.
i guess theres only one way to find out which of you guys are right.
Beat battle, Software Junkie Opey vs. MPC Robinson.
set it up.
how is that any way to find out who's right... that's silly. that's like saying... Zed you get all the software and you'd battle me using all hardware... you'd lose... that doesn't make hardware better.
retarded... reatarded argument
its NOT ABOUT WTF YOU USE... it's how you use it.
some producers swear by there mpc60's... some by there software... like Battery... it's all about what you do with it
one setup or the other isn't gonna make you dope... or make you "certified"....
i use hardware and software in conjunction... i owned a mp, and now i use battery... yet i will still use a mp is i want to.
it's somethings i pledge alliegance to hardware for, but others that i prefer software...
example...
software is the best for sequencing imo. the fastest way to get your thoughts out.
hardware is what i swear by when it comes to sounds... software sounds are too thin imo. I rather have sounds come out the keyboard, or a instrument, go through a stereo preamp, and a little compression (for drums)... and then into the box.
most of the top producers in the game use "what sounds good"... they have access to all the beat machines in the world, and software, yet still use mpc60's, and linn machines. It's all about what your trying to do.
an mpc is digital. it's a computer. it has the same internal elements as a computer. even in 1989. the difference is that your old mpc uses a low quality 12 bit signal. this is where your old school hiphop sound comes from. I can achieve that by changing my resolution. But what you can't do is layer high resolution samples over your low resolution samples to get old school sound without old school quality.
I know how to use your hardware. I graduated to my hardware. don't be confused. this hardware vs software talk is nonsense. i have more hardware in my "software setup" than you do in your "hardware setup". you came here attempting to flex your knowledge with posts riddled with insults and a condescending attitude. I don't give fuck all what you make music with. you questioned MY setup recommendations. I can make music with anything because I understand the actual principles of sound and recording. My knowledge goes a little deeper than how to push buttons on a machine.
word. i agree completely.
but... the instruments on your hardware are just software. it's not windows or mac based but that shit is digital software. Not all vsti's sound thin like sampletank. Vienna Symphonic Library is better than anything on the market... software or hardware.
Nothing truly replaces the real thing tho.
The MP has purpose to convert from analog sound - and digital.
It is a midi contol based system - It will take in data information in digital format and process it - Same with analog sounds and process them.
D/A converter - And A/D converter. I'm not arguing what's better to use.
You make your own set up. I just side with the hardware - It's what I use.
I'm not ishin' on your set bro. I just know my furlough - The digital wave has made it easy to occupy the sounds of yester. I'm not with the digi way, I am from the yesterdays.
Besides my version of MP keeps the creativity level high. I'm not working with unlimited sample time, or 99 patterns. I'm working with one pattern at a time. Yeah that's the long way - But that's the way I keep my drive. I can still upload my sounds into your laptop just as easy as you can save them to your desktop program. There's no idiot about it. It's use what you are comfortable with. I'm comfprtable with MP's and records. That's my M.O.
Chill.
I use the 3000Le for 16 bit resolution. That's where I get my glisten from.
To answer your question. The reason why I use the MP is bascically for the sequencer. These are the best sequencers ever - and the SP 12 & 1200 of course.
I like the crunch that the 60 gives - Can't be matched. Or emulated.
Nothin wrong with your set - Just set it. I know my way around the MP because that's what I use. I use the software to Mix down and wav. format the tracks. That's all. I can make beats on the Mac aswell. Just prefer queing the sounds myself - manually.
But for certain - You cannot front on the Old School Quality.
It's just RAW. That's what your software is trying to capture. Just won't be as Boom and as Bap as the original sounding equipment.
yea, the thing i dont like about librarys like vienna symphonic is they take a LONG time to load on the computer... you gotta open the plugin you use to access them, then you gotta wait for the sounds to load... they sound amazing but that wait time can ruin inspiration... i can just turn on the board and go... The real good sounding librarys are cpu monsters.
you work with a strictly digital format. the only analog equipment you have is a mixer and turntables. your mpc does not store and manipulate analog sound. you can record from an analog source using an A/D converter which converts the analog signal into digital on and off responses. it's stored inside the machine and manipulated by different combinations of transistors called logic gates. the sound is heard by converting the digital information into an analog signal using a D/A converter.
There's another device that works EXACTLY like this. It's called a PC.
Hip hop would be virtually impossible without digital equipment. You would be recording live instruments on analog tape, making hundreds of copies to slice, comp together, and layer. you would be running everythig thru an analog synthesizer to change the sound by physically manipulating the voltage of the analog signal. and you'd have to do it in real time.
And you definitely came at me son. You criticized my knowledge and my advice. You're entitled to your opinion and your preferences. Don't knock the preferences of others.
your selling yourself short as a producer if your using JUST a mpc for sequencing man... I dont see how you can feel creatively "free" when your so restricted physically by your hardware alone. Sequencing technology has advanced 10 fold since at least since the 3000 dropped. I can understand using a MP for the feel, and sound of it... but not the sequencing. That's just me though...
as far as the old school quality tho... ehhhh... if your actively pursuing placements as a producer... your REALLY REALLY selling yourself short relying on old school sounds.
you're completely wrong about emulation. anything can be emulated. i have a liquid channel preamp which accurately emulates any preamp and compressor. The waves GTR plugin exactly emulates several mic, head, and cabinet models. There is a Pro Tools HD plugin that precisely emulates an SSL. if someone wants to emulate an mpc they can.
And no... Old School SOUND is raw. Old school quality is inferior when you're talking about an entire track.
yea... i'm building a machine for just vienna and possibly some other large libraries. with plenty o memory the libraries will load fast. You're right tho. it's a pain. What I do sometimes is use lower quality tools to create then recreate with high quality methods. high quality plugins are almost just part of the mixing process for me at this point.
speaking of Waves...Waves GTR 3 has been getting alot of work in my lab lately, so has the new API bundle. i used almost all API plugins on the 50 cent remix in my sig
what did you use for the synth?
yea... it's a good thing you use the only analog sampler in history or else you might like digital sound too...
the funny thing is... if you keep lying to yourself eventually it'll be true. The newest technology advancent has been analog computing. but knowing you in a few years you'll be saying "screw analog computers! digital computers are old school!"
stop trying to be O.G. It isn't workin out for ya.
on the real tho... you have anything online? i'm tryin to hear your all powerful Old School style.
Producer. Me.?. Naaaaaa. I'm not making beats for anyone. Nor seeking placement as a beatmaker. I make a Sound. For my rhymes and for my feel.
I love the sequencer on the MPC. It's able to do what any software is capable of - Upon the knowledge of the producer. I am a musician.
I use live instrumentation. Why would I corrupt it with digital FX. Then it would be an upright bass anymore. It would be a Space bass.
The Mp provides me with the ability to not only sample and que my samples.
But aswell capture the live aspect of the sound I play, or sample.
Simple as that.
The sequencer adds the abbilty to hold notes - Overlap ques, Change patterns, Via twist of a knob. I'm a patient player. I don't mind using my mind an xtra length for purpose of creativity - And as for creativity. There is no way to use more creative force than the MPC 60ii. OLD School technology.
Less sample time - Less Patterns. More thinking. Killin' the sequence. That's why I aswell have the S950 - For extended sample time.
How can I explain to you this.
There is no wrong way to set up. Software or Hardware. They are all doing the same thing. It is basically users preference. Your own doxology of production/producing is what comes easy to you. My method of pros, happens to be the hardware set. No punt intended. I just am hooked on the MIDI way of dong things. MPC.
You don't even realize how goofy of a statement that is. i can automate an entire track without touching any buttons on any DAW. a DAW can arrange entire orchestras without recording any sound. an MPC doesn't even have the storage capacity to do some of the things a DAW can do in terms of sequencing. you're talking like an MPC is a mixing workstation or something.Quote:
I love the sequencer on the MPC. It's able to do what any software is capable of - Upon the knowledge of the producer.
yes. an analog device would not convert an analog sound to digital to be able to work with it. an analog device is an analog device because it manipulates an analog signal. i guess my computer is an analog device because it converts analog sound to digital in order to work with it.
MPC - Do you know what MPC stands for ?
How about your XLRJV1000K. Does it have a fat beat button.
wtf are you even getting at??
i'm the phat beat button on my console son. that's the fuckin point.